Posts by adjusted knowledge

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Elder: I threw out all WT & Awake and only keep the last ten years...

by adjusted knowledge in

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friends

i had a recent conversation with an elder from my mother's congregation.

he with another elder was at my mom's house.

my mother has all the bound volumes for both the awake and watchtower plus most of the older books.

adjusted knowledge

Wait a minute.... WHAT??????

Don't tell me they have gone back to "Sodom & Gomorrah might be resurrected"?

NO WAY!!!??!!!

If so, please give me the link, book, etc this info is from... I have to read it myself.

Thx! cha ching

They've gone back and forth so many times, I guess I really don't know thier current position on it. Last article I found was 2005 stating no resurrection for certain ones. So that means some will.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/resurrection.php

"Those who are judged unworthy of a resurrection are pitched into “Gehenna,” or “the lake of fire.” (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48; Revelation 20:14) Among these would be the first human pair, Adam and Eve, the betrayer Judas Iscariot, and certain ones who died when God executed judgment upon them, such as the people in Noah’s day and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah." Watchtower 2005 Jul 15 p.31

Not Resurrected

"Consequently, in addition to what Jude 7 says, the Bible uses Sodom/Gomorrah and the Flood as patterns for the destructive end of the present wicked system. It is apparent, then, that those whom God executed in those past judgments experienced irreversible destruction." Watchtower 1988 Jun 1 p.31

Some Resurrected

"A definite indication is found at Jude 7, where we read that "Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them … are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." Yes, the destruction of the gross sinners in those cities was eternal, as will be the destruction of the wicked at the end of the present system of things." Watchtower 1990 Apr 15 p.20

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Elder: I threw out all WT & Awake and only keep the last ten years...

by adjusted knowledge in

jw
friends

i had a recent conversation with an elder from my mother's congregation.

he with another elder was at my mom's house.

my mother has all the bound volumes for both the awake and watchtower plus most of the older books.

adjusted knowledge

"What did he say when you said so that last 90 years were fluff"

The usual, that the core doctrines have not changed. Just a better understanding. I didn't challenge him further. He and his fellow elder are from the congregation I was baptised in. Though that BOE no longer exist (most died) I don't want to stir the pot. Not sure if they can df someone who has been inactive for more than a decade but not worth the ordeal.

Like I've said in other posts, this religion has not done me any real harm and I didn't mind overall being in it. I mostly left because of the changing doctrines and the hypocrisy of the members.

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Elder: I threw out all WT & Awake and only keep the last ten years...

by adjusted knowledge in

jw
friends

i had a recent conversation with an elder from my mother's congregation.

he with another elder was at my mom's house.

my mother has all the bound volumes for both the awake and watchtower plus most of the older books.

adjusted knowledge

I had a recent conversation with an Elder from my mother's congregation. He with another Elder was at my mom's house. My mother has all the bound volumes for both the awake and watchtower plus most of the older books. This elder tried to witness to me and he would ask me questions. I know what the new teaching is but I would always answer with "old light" and I would get out the Watchtower or Awake to show him in there.

The witnesses always use the same open ended questions no matter the congregation. The one he asked me was who will not be resurrected? The correct adjusted knowledge answer is Adam, Eve, and Judas. But I feign ignorance and stated all those in Sodom and Gomorrah. I was waiting for him to refute my answer but then I showed him the watchtower answer in the 80's was they would not be resurrected. There were several more questions of this type which I'm sure most of you were trained to ask. It was fun because I was ready for it.

He was getting frustrated and told my mother she should throw away all those bound volumes and that is what he did. He only keeps the watchtower and awake from 2000 to present. So of course I took a parting shot and stated, " Oh I guess the last 90 years of teachings was wrong?" lol

Basically the religion keeps changing every 10-15 years.

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What would be your favorite job if you could do anything.?

by new hope and happiness in

on the basis that most of us realise the w.t wasnt really the best " job" or way to spend our days, it would be fun to find out what people would really have liked to have done with there lifes and if this is still possible.

or maybe its not even a very realistic ambition just a dream.

in my dreams i stay at home all day and make a living from being a professional artist.maybe i need a phycholgist?.

adjusted knowledge

I was interested in being an elementary teacher or perhaps teaching history in highschool. I have a bachelors from USF in Tampa. I was thinking of moving back to Florida and entering their masters program in education. It would take 18 months. The problem is I make $65k as a manager and the company I work for has no history of doing layoffs. A starting teacher in Florida with a masters degree makes $35k-$38k depending on the county. In addition a lot of counties are notorious for laying off new teachers every year or not hiring.

I still may pursue a career in teaching but because of the economics it may be when I'm in my mid 40's. I place a higher value on time with my family than the money, but at the same time I need to make sure my family is financially fit.

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ELDERS LIED! to Brain injured man UPDATE w/ video

by Newly Enlightened in

we visited the rio rancho, nm u.s.a kingdom hall build this past saturday adn met jim & janet mura.

it is disgusting what they have done to this poor family.. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d5xtgdt7mm.

adjusted knowledge

Yeah, I just watch the whole thing. They, "the ex-witnesses", seem very vindicative and crazy. This just feeds to the idea that dissenters are apostates and crazy. LOL I mean showing hidden message like the black man with the penis on the song book, the hidden words sex and f*ck.

I watch the videos because this couple are nuts. I wonder what they were like when they were witnesses. I don't know their story but man I guess the witnesses pissed in their cheerios. Keep making the videos; I find them amusing.

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ELDERS LIED! to Brain injured man UPDATE w/ video

by Newly Enlightened in

we visited the rio rancho, nm u.s.a kingdom hall build this past saturday adn met jim & janet mura.

it is disgusting what they have done to this poor family.. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d5xtgdt7mm.

adjusted knowledge

Didn't the JW buy the land first?

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Disturbing Footnote in Tomorrow's Study Article...

by HeyThere in

article is basicqlly about families where a spouse is working away from home for an extended period, etc...a foot note says basically that some studies have shown that working away from home can cause serious consequences, such as infidelity, homosexuality, or incest.

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pull it up on jw.org...that is what it says.

adjusted knowledge

OMG the wisdom of the GB. If only I got this watchtower in time.

My wife and I was living with my brother some years ago. My wife left for several months to work in another state. I was lonely and naturally had relations with my brother. For years my wife held this over my head and assumed I was one sick puppy. Now with the blessing of this article she sees how this was all her fault.

A. Infidelity Check

B. Homosexuality Check

C. Incest Check

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

adjusted knowledge

"Female sand tiger shark produces 400 to 500 embryos at a time. While still in the womb, these embryo sharks grow razor-sharp teeth, the embryonic sharks start to eat other embryos. Within a few months, three to four dominant sharks engage in a life-or-death struggle until only one survives. By the time it is born, the sole-surviving shark pup has become an experienced predator. Amazing film taken inside the womb recently appeared on UK television clearly demonstrating this behaviour."

Thanks for the info. I never knew this and found it to be very interesting.

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I have no Real Friends!

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

i have come to a startling and sad realisation!.

i have no real friends!.

i have always been extremely active in every aspect of the org, since childhood.

adjusted knowledge

A whole knew world can open for you. Each persons situation is unique. Some suggestion is pursuing higher education at a community college. Taking one or two courses a semester can expand your mind and help you meet new people.

It is possible for you to feel worst in the coming days and months which can lead to depression. Keep an eye on your emotional state as such it can lead to a bad outcome. I've seen in my old congregation of suicide plus members of this board because of depression.

A true unconditional friend is a rarity even in family.

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sold ducks today opposite JW cart

by nugget in

today my husband and i sold plastic ducks for the annual duck racing fund raising event opposite a jw cart.

in the 2hour period we sold over a 100 ducks putting our jw training to good use proactively approaching people, overcoming objections and generally wishing people success.

cantleave went round the local businesses selling to the shops and generally was received positively.

adjusted knowledge

I was working on my college degree six years ago and would see elderly ones sit on a bench holding up a Watchtower. They said nothing and did nothing. Though I've been inactive for quite some time at that point it still didn't seem the usual hype I recall from my youth. I did street witnessing and I never would just stand in one placing holding a magazine.

Those witnesses might as well of been invisible to the young college student. I don't see what the WT has to offer young people to be interested. I think religion can have a valuable use in our society but sadly it seems just a black hole for ones money.